tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post6411188386357617284..comments2023-10-22T06:54:40.529-04:00Comments on Identity Check: Deny, Dismiss, Ignore.Anokhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-7534812344796238542009-09-28T08:00:34.467-04:002009-09-28T08:00:34.467-04:00Sergie - yup, that's what I'm getting at! ...Sergie - yup, that's what I'm getting at! (And no problem about the double post, it happens ;))<br /><br />Now, I''m not opposed to people using consideration and coordinating events with towns - I think a "permit" that can't be denied for the purpose of getting a town prepared for an event is perfectly OK. For example, you want to have a parade - working with the town to safely shut down roads and handle crowds isn't a bad idea. But I don't think the town should be able to deny it - only work with the group to make sure it's on a day they can do it (if not, change the date, don't deny it!), and that they have proper time, space and resources.Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-23712840790328773662009-09-27T20:04:44.819-04:002009-09-27T20:04:44.819-04:00sorry for the double post, I thought I didn't ...sorry for the double post, I thought I didn't hit the buttondaedalus2134https://www.blogger.com/profile/09325622032491012928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-62436605164916018512009-09-27T20:03:46.612-04:002009-09-27T20:03:46.612-04:00doesn't the permit undermine freedom of assemb...doesn't the permit undermine freedom of assembly anyways? if that's undermined than does it not cease to be inalienable?daedalus2134https://www.blogger.com/profile/09325622032491012928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-77294048249642904112009-09-27T20:03:39.734-04:002009-09-27T20:03:39.734-04:00doesn't the permit undermine freedom of assemb...doesn't the permit undermine freedom of assembly anyways? if that's undermined than does it not cease to be inalienable?daedalus2134https://www.blogger.com/profile/09325622032491012928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-56894850676527089802009-09-26T18:56:01.525-04:002009-09-26T18:56:01.525-04:00That's my point, exactly. They were prepared f...That's my point, exactly. They <i>were</i> prepared for protests. Had they approved the permits, and just let people march, they would have had no problems. Instead they locked down the city, denied people's right to protest, (save for a few) and acted "surprised" when people showed up anyway.<br /><br />They have only themselves to blame for what happened. <br /><br />Had they been allowed to march (and had the police not broken into the dorms and churches to drag people out to gas and beat them) it would have been a non issue!Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-61141887831420575762009-09-26T18:19:14.989-04:002009-09-26T18:19:14.989-04:00Might it be that the Pittsburgh Police were bracin...Might it be that the Pittsburgh Police were bracing for the worst based on past protests of this sort? I am not excusing any over reaction by the Police, but it seems that these types of protests do seem to get out of hand.anticsrockshttp://presentdiscontent.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-92065554194834873462009-09-26T09:38:26.316-04:002009-09-26T09:38:26.316-04:00Excellent resources, thanks! Yep, like I said abov...Excellent resources, thanks! Yep, like I said above, I can understand and even agree to consensual, common sense policies regarding the use of public spaces to protest, but really there are events that should simply be left open, full well knowing that there will be a massive turnout. I'm still dumbfounded as to why they would deny or ignore so many permit requests. One's imagination just runs wild with possible answers...Anokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675278947623136467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4342220819301909377.post-14755365086760864462009-09-26T09:24:51.756-04:002009-09-26T09:24:51.756-04:00Well said. Like you, I found the permit vs. 1st Am...Well said. Like you, I found the permit vs. 1st Amendment issue frustrating at best. After a little research, I found 2 sites (among many) that summarize and/or explain the matter. While there are some restrictions to be observed (they seem reasonable to me; let each reader decide for him- or herself), I think everyone who wishes to exercise their 1st Amendment right ought to become familiar with the information in these 2 documents:<br /><br /><b>Coloradans For Peace</b><br /><a href="http://www.coloradansforpeace.org/?page_id=31" rel="nofollow">http://www.coloradansforpeace.org/?page_id=31</a><br /><br /><b>PUFMM (People United for Medical Marijuana)</b><br /><a href="http://www.pufmm.org/docs/How%20to%20use%20your%20First%20Amendment%20Rights.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pufmm.org/docs/How to use your First Amendment Rights.pdf</a> (NOTE: This is a PDF file).Archhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03520940890131422366noreply@blogger.com